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What if your spiritual life felt less like a checklist and more like a living connection that fuels every part of your day? Daniel and Michelle Moore sit down with author and teacher Kim McIntire to unpack what it truly means to abide in Christ from John 15—and how a simple, consistent rhythm of Scripture, prayer, and praise can move you from duty to delight. Kim shares her journey from faithful routines to a deep hunger for God’s presence, the moment a Bible class flipped a switch, and why the cost of intimacy is not perfection but time.

Together, they explore the difference diligent seeking makes in real life: calmer responses under pressure, unexpected compassion for hard people, and the power to forgive when the flesh wants to hold a grudge. Kim opens up the structure behind her seven-lesson Abide study—start with worship, ask concise questions of the text, respond personally, and practice diverse forms of prayer. You’ll hear how reading the same chapter across a group often yields unique insights for each person, a reminder that God meets us individually through the same living Word. We also talk about frequency: why one day in the Bible offers little traction but four to five days builds discernment, joy, and spiritual resilience.

Kim’s stories bring prayer to life, including a “victory shout” that turned despair into hope, and a reflective exercise that compares your most valuable human relationship to your walk with God. Time, mutuality, encouragement, accountability, listening, presence, trust—these are the ingredients of abiding, and they’re available to anyone hungry for God. If you’ve felt stuck, distracted, or unsure where to start, this conversation offers clear next steps and a warm push to try ten minutes today and let appetite grow.

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Abide: John 15:4 7 Lesson Study: https://a.co/d/5QciyWh

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Kim McIntire:

Hey everyone, welcome to the It's Time to Rise Up podcast. I'm your host, Kim McIntire. We know there are so many things you can do with your time, so thank you for choosing to spend your time listening today. We pray you are encouraged and blessed by what is shared. If you're not familiar with our show, please check out our website at it'stimetoriseup.org. There you will find our social media links. And as for our podcast platforms, you'll find us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and everywhere else you find your podcast. I'm excited to announce that the Abide 7 Lesson Study is now available on Amazon and Barnes Noble. The link to order is found in our show notes. The Abide Study is currently the discipleship piece of the Rise Up movement. There's more about that on our website. Now let's get to today's episode. Most of you know I've recently published the Abide Seven Lesson Study. Here recently, I had the honor of being interviewed on the Marriage Life and More Podcast by Daniel and Michelle Moore. They have been willing to let us air this episode on the It's Time to Rise Up podcast. Thank you, Daniel and Michelle. Let's get into the interview.

Michelle Moore:

Today we're really excited because we get to talk about something that every believer longs for: how to truly abide in God's presence. And we have a special guest with us, author Kim McIntire, who wrote the book in Bible Study Abide, John 15, 4, 7 Lesson Study.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, Kim's heart is to help believers move past routine religion and really experience the presence and the power of God in everyday life. And if you've ever struggled with making prayer or Bible reading a joy instead of it being a duty, well, today you're going to love this conversation.

Michelle Moore:

So grab that coffee and your Bible or just a quiet moment and let's jump into today's episode with Kim McIntire.

Daniel Moore:

So welcome back to the podcast this week. And as we've mentioned here in the intro, we have Kim McIntire here with us. Now it's your first time on Marriage Life and More. It is. But you've been on Connecting the Gap before. That's right. So I loved it. Matter of fact, this is just a little tidbit here. You still have the second most popular episode on my Connecting the Gap podcast.

Kim McIntire:

I'm honored.

Daniel Moore:

One of our episodes is like right on your back bumper.

Kim McIntire:

Well, that's okay. I'm honored. Thank you for that.

Daniel Moore:

You're still up there. Awesome. And the last time uh that we had you here was for your from your previous book.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

And uh we'll mention that here in just a minute. But Kim McIntire, she's a retired teacher who loves the Lord and is devoted to intentional discipleship. Her passions are teaching the word and leading prayer groups. Kim's currently she leads a team who teaches the Abide Study in person and select lessons online through the podcast. It's time to rise up. In addition, she leads the prayer team for Rise Up, an annual conference that is a vessel for revival. Her hobbies are Phoenix and Everly, who keep her very busy, and she says they're the best grandkids on the planet.

Kim McIntire:

They are.

Daniel Moore:

They are.

Kim McIntire:

Of course they are.

Daniel Moore:

So we're gonna have to duke it out here in a minute because we've got four.

Kim McIntire:

I don't know, you guys.

Daniel Moore:

Okay.

Kim McIntire:

I get it. Okay, I'll let you guys tie with them all. Maybe it's tie. Okay. I'll let you tie.

Daniel Moore:

We can handle that.

Kim McIntire:

All right. Sounds good.

Daniel Moore:

Good. Well, as I mentioned earlier, uh you've written one book already called Abiding Conversations. And that book was released October 18th, 22. Can you believe it's been that long?

Kim McIntire:

I can't.

Daniel Moore:

It seems like it was yesterday.

Kim McIntire:

It really does.

Daniel Moore:

And that was put out by Trilogy Christian Publishers. And now you have a new one out that just came out this month. Yeah. On August 12th. And as Michelle, she mentioned the title earlier, it's Abide, John 15, 4. And this one's a seven-lesson study. And we're going to talk a little bit about that today as we get into this interview. But I wanted to read that scripture, John chapter 15, verse 4. It says, Abide in me and I in you, as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

Michelle Moore:

Amen. So good. Kim, before we dive into abide, can you share a little of your personal journey with the Lord and what inspired you to write this study? Okay.

Kim McIntire:

Well, my journey with the Lord started about four decades ago. And you know, just growing up in a Christian home, I just always believed in God. Was very faithful to go to church with my parents who were faithful to the house of the Lord. And I would say my journey with the Lord until about 2003 was really as sincerely as it could be, it was just a checkbox relationship with God. And if you don't know what that means, um I went to church every time the doors were open. I read the Bible as a devotion. I studied the Bible to teach Sunday school. I prayed the kind of everyday prayers of protect my family, bless the food. If someone was sick, I would pray for you know that person. Mostly prayed for my family. And some church, um, like my youth group at church, I would pray for them because I was helping lead that. But um that all shifted in 2003 when I took a class that honestly, the day I left that class on how to read the Bible for personal devotion, I was just captivated by it. I can't explain it except God just put a hunger in my heart that day for his word. And that love for the word grew into a love for prayer that I didn't even know you could actually walk in. Because it did kind of feel always more like a duty, something I needed to do, something I should do as a Christian, as a believer. And now it's it's a passion and a love. And I believe it grew from time in the word. So that's that's a little bit of my about my journey with the Lord. And then why did I write the study guide? Well, in 2023, the Lord gave me some names of young women, and he said, I didn't actually know any of them except by face. And the Lord said, ask them to come and read the Bible and pray with you and just show them what you do. So I did, and they said yes. And that was a three-month time together, and in that time with them, God said, This needs to be a lesson study. And, you know, God grew it. And then those girls ended up becoming part of an ongoing Abide study to really just help me learn how to tweak what I was doing. And God grew up leaders in that group and teachers in that group, and I'm so grateful. Yes. I'm so grateful. So that's really how Abide was born. Love that. Just with a group of four other women, young women and me.

Daniel Moore:

Well, we know you know all the women that you have that help lead. You've got a phenomenal group of you.

Kim McIntire:

They're amazing.

Daniel Moore:

They do an excellent job. And uh, Kim, we mentioned the podcast earlier, it's time to rise up, and you are the host of that podcast. So anybody that's listening, if you don't already know about it, uh we've already, you know, like I said, had her here before, and we've talked about that um also in pre in previous episodes, but uh, you can check that out. Uh but you do some of these studies on that podcast. So after you guys you know listen to this interview this week and you go to Amazon and you're gonna buy this book, I know you're gonna do it. Please buy it. Yes.

Michelle Moore:

So once you haven't got to read it yet.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, once you once you do that, then uh you can get on the the podcast and actually listen to some of the online uh classes and kind of see how those work. So that'll kind of help you a little bit as well. So I know with your testimony, you know you've mentioned uh that there was a season in your life where you struggled with Bible study and with prayer and and that kind of thing. Although you had a walk with God. Yeah. Um, and like a lot of us do, you know, we'll we'll have a walk with God, we'll have our church time and the things that we do for the Lord, but yet for some reason when we try to sit down with the Bible in our lap or we try to have the quiet time in our closet just to to call out to God and that kind of thing, it's difficult. It's just like it's so out of our it's like out of our stretch, it seems like. Those times when that was like that in your life, uh, in what ways did God meet you in those places during that time before you learned this new process of study?

Kim McIntire:

Well, I thank God for his grace because he'll meet us anywhere, even in the struggle, especially in the struggle.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, that's good.

Kim McIntire:

And I feel like even in my neglect of a true pursuit of intimacy with him, his grace was always pursuing me. And so I think that was really the sustainer in that time of my checklist mentality rather than the relational approach to being with the Lord. And it's very, very different. And the level of joy increases when it becomes a relational focus rather than a checklist focus. That that's been my experience because it's not a struggle for me anymore. And I'm not saying I never struggle, that's not true, but that would be a rare occasion that I struggle to open my Bible and read and pray because it's such a rhythm now. It's like breathing. Yeah, it's hard to explain, but it's like I wouldn't miss a meal intentionally, and I don't miss God's word intentionally. You know, some things happen sometimes that oh, I forgot to eat lunch. Yeah, but that's not that's not my normal. You know what I'm saying? So it's my rhythm now. And God's grace, I would say I give him the credit for that.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

And you know, I think something that we can take away from that that we need to remember, and you hit it right on the on the head with that, is God knows where we're at in our walk with him, and he knows that there's more.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

You know, we we might think we're full to the brim and I can't handle anymore, you know, but God knows different. There's a lot of empty space in there that he needs to fill in and he does pursue us.

Kim McIntire:

He does.

Daniel Moore:

And as long as we keep that hunger inside of our heart, and as long as we are intentional to make sure that we do crack that Bible and we do get on our knees occasionally and and call out to him, and we keep that hunger burning inside of us, he doesn't leave us alone.

Kim McIntire:

Right.

Daniel Moore:

You know, he continues to come after us, and as we keep praying and studying and opening his word, then those little light bulbs keep popping on. They do you know? And you'll notice you get deeper and deeper before you know it. And and I I really like how you put that because that that that's a very key thing, I think, that we need to remember as Christians when we feel like we're in a rut, especially. Because those ruts, they're dangerous. They can make us feel like we're at a standstill. It's true.

Michelle Moore:

So let's talk a little bit about the book. The subtitle of your study talks about the presence and power of God resting on those who diligently seek Him. Can you unpack what it looks like in a believer's everyday life?

Kim McIntire:

You know, there's a difference between seeking the Lord and diligently seeking the Lord. And when people are really fervent and diligent in their pursuit of knowing the God through his word, through prayer, through praise, his presence will come down on that person in a different way. And I've learned this over time. You can tell if you spend time with someone or you observe a person long enough, it's not hard to tell whether or not they are diligently pursuing him because it comes out of their conversation, it comes out of their reaction to crisis, it comes out of the way they serve and love, their compassion or not. And only God's presence can increase our wisdom, our compassion, our ability to love and forgive, our ability to overlook an offense, our ability to be humble rather than proud. And so what I've noticed over time, and I've noticed God change me in so many things in my life that that needed to be corrected, is the more I seek him with a diligent heart and intention and give him attention, the more his presence rests on me and the more of him flows out instead of him. Because the flesh, my flesh wants to be offended. My flesh wants to turn and look the other way when someone needs help, right? Oh, I've got other things to do. I'm far too busy to stop right now. But when God's presence rests on you, it'll change everything and that's power.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And so when I say presence and power, the power to love, the power to forgive, the power to overlook an offense, the power to be compassionate when you would much rather turn and go the other way. No, that's power. So I just believe diligently seeking the Lord changes everything about how you live your life. And people will take notice. Yes. Yes. They will. You can't miss it. You can't miss it when someone's diligently seeking the Lord.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And it's not because they're holding up a sign that says, I diligently seek the Lord every day. You just see it in their life.

Daniel Moore:

Right.

Kim McIntire:

It's powerful.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, it's it's a lot like you know, being a true leader. Uh, when you're a true leader, you lead by influence.

Kim McIntire:

That's right.

Daniel Moore:

You don't crack the whip and be the, you know, bossy and that kind of thing. There are leaders out there that are like that.

Kim McIntire:

Oh, sure.

Daniel Moore:

But a true leader leads by influence. If they have a good influence on the people that's around them, then those people are going to be more likely to follow their lead. And, you know, that's when when it comes to God, that's how I kind of look at that, because Jesus was our biggest influence. He is our influence. Yeah. You know, he set that path before us. Amen. He gave us that example. And I think that, you know, if we if we keep our eyes on him and we follow that path that he's laid out there before us, then you can't go wrong.

Kim McIntire:

So true.

Daniel Moore:

And you're you're only going to want to get dig to dig deeper. You're only going to want to know more and more about who he is. And, you know, I know there's many times that you've emphasized that intimacy with God is not just for a select few, but for anyone who's hungry for God. Why do you think so many Christians still feel like closeness with God is so out of their reach?

Kim McIntire:

I think that I know the answer to this, this, but I also think there are some question marks because there's not a one size fits all on why it's a struggle or why few people think it's unattainable. But I feel like a lot of people just don't want to pay the c the cost. And the cost is time. And this is not legalistic. It's not legalistic to have a heart posture that says, I'm going to devote this block of time to be alone with the Lord. That's not legalistic. Unfortunately, some people lean into if you think you have to have a set time to be with the Lord, you can get into legalism. But the truth is, if you love someone and you desire time with them, you make it a priority and a focus of your life. I talk to my husband every day. If one of us is out of town for whatever reason, we still talk.

Daniel Moore:

Right.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah. Even if one of us is gone.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And so the cost is time.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And it's not unattainable. I believe anyone hungry for God can get as much of God as they are willing to invest time to gain that feeling, that satisfaction. He says he desires, he satisfies our desires with good things. So our youth is renewed like the eagle. But the way he satisfies us is through the time we spend with him, where he's pouring in to us.

Daniel Moore:

Right.

Kim McIntire:

And our spiritual hunger is then filled. So we're not going around starving spiritually because we have been filled by him and satisfied by him. Just like if I love bread. And so I feel very satisfied when I eat a really good piece of bread or roll or whatever. I mean, the same is true with spiritual satisfaction. He is the living bread. Yeah. And he fills me. And the more hungry I get, the more, the more he fills me up. But it does take time. And I'll tell you, I would I would argue against anyone who would say that's not absolutely essential in a relationship with Jesus. It just is.

Daniel Moore:

It is.

Kim McIntire:

It really is. A relationship. I'm not talking about being saved. I'm talking about a personal, intimate relationship where you are growing and he is filling you so you can pour out. Because if he's not filling you, I promise you have nothing to give to others. Yes. Yes. He's the source of what we pour out.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, that's exactly right. So good. And you know, Michelle and I talk a lot about in our our marriage episodes, we've talked about it many times, that even in marriages, like you mentioned, you and your husband, you know, Michelle and I, we you have to carve that time out. You do. Whether if you feel like you're got too much going on or whatever, that's not in even in the equation. Right. You have to have that time, that intimate time with each other in order to make sure that that relationship flourishes and it continues to grow. And who do we get that from? We get that because we've watched the example that God's given us. That Jesus has given us. And we know that just like you said, if we don't carve that time out for God, then we're never gonna grow.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

We're never gonna draw closer to that.

Kim McIntire:

It's true. And the beautiful thing is that I think some people don't understand is that time can literally start with 10 minutes. Yeah. And I would even say for some people, maybe five. Yeah. Because some people have attention issues, and that really is a struggle for them to focus. But any time you devote to where you're like, I'm going to spend five minutes reading a chapter and then I'm going to pray. Or 10 minutes reading a chapter and then I'm going to pray. God will meet you there.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And then over time you get hungry for more. I mean, it that's what God did for me. Hallelujah.

Daniel Moore:

That's right. Intentional baby steps.

Michelle Moore:

Yes. And I wanted to make the comment, you know, going through a couple of weeks of your study and stuff like that, if you're reading a chapter and you've listened to The podcasts rise up and you've had your group on there and how they go dissect that actual pair or that chapter.

Kim McIntire:

The chapter. Yeah. Breaking it down.

Michelle Moore:

It is amazing because what you are reading and what you're getting from God that you're needing to see out of it. And you if you go back and listen to that, uh, the podcast, it actually each individual person had something different to say. It's true. And God, He He puts everything in the words in front of you, but yet what you need, you're gonna receive. Yeah. And it's even made me dive a little bit more, like just seeing it in a different view of when I did your study. I mean, I was like, wow, this is like, hey, it makes you really think. It's not just reading. Yeah. It makes you dive into it. And it's like, okay, what do I need to know today?

Kim McIntire:

And it's so personal that way.

Michelle Moore:

Yeah. So personal. And each time you guys go back, you're like, you can read it over and over, and each time you're gonna get something different. It's true. So good point. Thank you for bringing that up.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, it's awesome.

Michelle Moore:

Yeah. So abide is such a rich biblical word. So, what does abiding in Christ mean to you personally?

Kim McIntire:

Well, the example Jesus used in John 15 was the vine and the branch. And a vine and a branch are connected. There's not a disconnect. If there is a disconnect, the branch is going to die. Yes.

Daniel Moore:

Exactly.

Kim McIntire:

So the branch can only live and be healthy and thrive and grow when it stays connected. So what I know is for my life, as I stay connected to Jesus through the word and prayer and praise, and that's really the principles of abide, the study I wrote. When I stay connected through those really gifts God gave us, I grow. Yeah. I'm healthier in my mind, in my body, in my spirit, in my relationships. I can actually bring something to others, right? So branches bear fruit.

Daniel Moore:

Right.

Kim McIntire:

And it's not me. I want to be really clear. This isn't about Kim, but a branch connected to the vine, a person connected to Jesus Christ who stays connected through the word, prayer, and praise and service. They will bear fruit because God says they will. So to me, abiding in him is that connection. It's it's again, it goes back to the time element. It's a relationship that's I'm investing in and God's investing in me. It's reciprocal. Yeah. It's not one-sided. Because God's always going to do his part. He's never going to not do his part in his pursuit of his people. Right. But the problem is the pe our us, we as people, God's people, we don't always pursue him. Yeah. And that's when the branch gets dry. That's when the branch might get disconnected. That's when the branch no longer bears fruit that glorifies the Father. So abiding to me is all about that vine in the branch, and it's an investment of time and love. Love, like loving God. He already loves us. We want to love him back. And I can't help but love him when I read his word and pray because there's so much, like you said, personal. He's speaking it to me.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

You know?

Daniel Moore:

Yeah. And I think something to remember about the word abide, it's kind of like when you love someone or having faith. It's an ongoing Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

It's it's action.

Daniel Moore:

It's a continual action. It's a verb. Yes.

Kim McIntire:

It's a verb.

Daniel Moore:

It's not a one moment for a second thing and then you're done. Right. When when Jesus, when he says to abide in me, that's a continual thing for the rest of our life that he wants us to do. Yes. He wants us to be there with him moment by moment, day by day, just drinking in his goodness and everything that he has for us. And I think so many times when we read that scripture, and because I've been guilty of it myself in the past, I just superficially read over the scripture real fast, you know, abiding Jesus and you know, find the branches and all this stuff. Just kind of read through it real fast. And we really forget the depth of what that really means. Yeah. You know, and the uh dedication that it's gonna cause us. We're gonna have to break down some strongholds, we're gonna have to break down some walls. We're gonna have to do some things to be intentional to make sure that we have that connection, like you're talking about. If uh if we're the branches and he's the vine, we have to stay connected to that.

Michelle Moore:

Like you said, if we don't know how just did that anal well, it's not really analogy, it's it's the truth. You know, I mean if you don't get stay connected, you dry up. And that that spoke to me like a lot of people.

Kim McIntire:

Well, I'll just tell you, I can speak to that because I've been the per I've been that person who was dried up. I mean, I have in seasons of life, yeah, you know. And so that's why it's an ongoing and has to be intentional. And I will say this too there are times I'm just taking a walk with the Lord and I'm just with him. And I'm not necessarily reading the Bible, I'm not necessarily praying or listening to worship, but it's still so very personal. Yeah. And I think it looks there are different layers to it, but if I'm not in the word, how do I know his voice? So the word is is to me foundational for everything when it comes to abiding in him. Because I want to know the shepherd's voice, and the clearest way God speaks is through his word.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

I mean, it is. It is. And when people tell me they don't hear God speak, I quickly say, Would you just share with me a little bit about what does your time in the Bible look like? You know, how often are you reading? And a lot of times they'll say, Well, maybe, you know, once a week or may always at church, or well, the there are statistics out there, and you can Google this, everyone. Someone just spoke about this at a church a few weeks ago that my husband went to a a men's Bible study, and and he said it was interesting because they were saying if you only take, you know, one day a week that you're in the Word, it will have very little effect or impact. Two, it's a little more. Three, it's more, four or five days, there's a significant impact. And beyond that, it's exponential.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

So God's word is his voice, and if he's speaking to you and you're listening, oh my, your life is going to change.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah. And that doesn't mean everything's perfect, but it will impact you.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah. We got to train our minds.

Kim McIntire:

Oh, and it renews. Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

Everything they say practice makes perfect. And you know, there's a lot of truth to that. And that comes to God's word and prayer and everything. If we practice reading the word and we practice praying like we're supposed to on that continual basis and having that relationship with God, then we do start hearing his voice. He will speak to us because the more you talk to it's just like a regular relationship. The more you talk to the person that's closest to you, the better you get to know them. The more you have to talk about, you know. Yeah, that's true. And so that's the same situation with God. If we continually have that relationship with Him and that communication, then we get to know each other more and more and more and more. And there's so much to God to know, we'll never know it all.

Kim McIntire:

That's true.

Daniel Moore:

So we we have no excuse to say, oh, well, I've already I've got it all figured out and I'm done. No, that doesn't happen. You know, there's there's just a forever thing there uh to God's goodness and who he is. And so uh so this book that you've written, uh, like I was talking earlier, you've written another book also. How is this one different from your first one?

Kim McIntire:

Well, the first one talks about um a few of the key words that I use as I read the Bible. Um abiding conversations is really a prayer journal that I wrote as I read through the book of John and responded to God's voice. It's very personal, it's my heart on paper. Um the book I wrote, this recent book, is a Bible study format, and it's different because it's not a prayer journal. Um, every lesson has a testimony, a personal testimony from my life. Um each chapter is based on a chapter of the Bible that has significantly impacted me in transformational ways. Um, and there's always a worship segment to it, there's a prayer segment, um, and then a study segment where you're using keywords to ask questions as you read the Bible. So the the big difference is abiding conversations really is a prayer journal. And this is more a guide for how to connect with the Lord in a personal way to hear his voice and how reading the word can drive you to deep, deeper places of prayer.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And God's taught me a lot about prayer. So every chapter has a way the Lord has taught me to pray that is probably out of the box for most people, but it was birthed in my prayer closet. And I've taken I've stepped out on a limb and I've shared those personal moments in the book. And I've had people who've taken the class say, I don't pray the same anymore since I took your classes. And I taught classes for two years before the book came out. So a lot of people have gone through it and I've had the joy of hearing feedback. Good and bad. So, you know, good, like, oh, this is really people are grabbing this, and then maybe not so good in ways, okay, this isn't maybe clear and I need to clarify or, you know, right, make it present it differently. Yeah. So that's the beauty of teaching it before you before you publish it.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah. And this book is pretty well self-contained with it's got everything in it that you need. It's got the the keywords uh that you'll be utilizing when you go through the little the chapters for the studies and kind of walk us through uh one of these chapters here. We can just do lesson one on page 19 there, I guess.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

Uh I notice, you know, each one has a uh a format. Right. And they're all kind of formatted the same way. There's a song, passage, keywords, prayer practice. Just kind of walk through that, you know, real quick and kind of explain why you laid those chapters out that way. Sure. And the intention there.

Kim McIntire:

Um so we open class with a worship song because I feel like, you know, God's very clear. We enter his presence with thanksgiving and his courts with praise. So I always open with a worship song. And I encourage people when you're spending time with the Lord, start with a song.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

Start even if it's just from your heart, doesn't have to be on the on your playlist, you know. And then after we do that, we open the word and we dig into the passage. We read that together, and then we ask some questions. Lord, what do you want me to know? You know, that's always the foundational question. And we talk about it in class, and there's a place to respond in the in the book where you can write out your responses. Um, there's also a testimony, like I said, a personal testimony, and at the end, a prayer practice. The lesson one has a prayer practice called Victory Prayers, and it's about how one day I was just feeling so discouraged and just overwhelmed and desperate for God to move. And I'm on my I'm on my knees and I'm crying out to God, and I'm just like, Lord, I need you to change this. I need you to move. I'm desperate. And the Lord was like, I want you to just get up and start shouting victory. Victory over this, and I'm not gonna say because it was personal in my family.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And I was like, okay, I will do that. And you know what? I went from desperate and beyond a mess on the floor, which we there needs to be times that we're on the floor before the Lord crying out. I'm not diminishing or minimizing that, but the Lord wanted me to grab onto hope. And He turned despair to hope through me just getting up and just declaring victory over my family. And that's a way people don't always recognize sometimes a prayer looks like a victory shout.

Daniel Moore:

Right.

Kim McIntire:

Sometimes it's not head bowed on the floor crying. Sometimes it's I'm standing up and I'm gonna march and I'm gonna say victory and I'm gonna shout because that's how the Jericho walls came down. Right. And the Lord's like, if you want the walls to come down, get up and shout and march around this room. And so you know what? I did. And I didn't care if I looked like a fool. I'll be a fool for Jesus any day.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

But the peace of God and the hope of God and the joy of the Lord just washed over me. And I'm like, I have to share this with people. Yeah. There is somebody listening right now. They feel overwhelmed and discouraged, like there's no hope. That is a lie of Satan. Yes. You know, get get some get some uh wherewithal, some determination, and take your stand against the devil and shout victory. Yes. And don't, it doesn't matter who's listening. God is the God's the audience of one we should be living for, right?

Daniel Moore:

That's right.

Kim McIntire:

Okay, I can preach, so I'll stop.

Daniel Moore:

I was just getting into it here.

Kim McIntire:

I was like, We got another hour. But I'm just I'm just saying like that is an example of that the Lord has met me in some really desperate times.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And he's whispered things to me that have become ways that I pray that look so different than a few years ago.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And I tell you, I I have a lot more fun praying now too, because it's exciting when you start shouting victory.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

The Lord stirs up your spirit, and I guarantee you the devil gets really unhappy and he leaves because he can't stand it. That's right. So pretty soon he's gone, and the glory of the Lord is in the room, and I just get to be in his presence. Hallelujah. That's right.

Daniel Moore:

Well, prayer is just like reading the word.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

Uh when you read the word, there's many different ways that you can read it, there's many ways you can study it, there's many ways that God will speak to you through it. Yeah. When it comes to prayer, there's prayers of lament, there's prayers of praise, there's prayers of supplication, there's prayers of action. I mean, there's all these different ways. You know, us as we grow up, especially again, this comes back to if you're going to make your life a living sacrifice to God, where you're going to continually pray and read His Word and make that a big part of your life each and every day, then you're going to progress in this a lot quicker. But for the person that does not do that, the person, the biannual Bible reader, biannual prayer warrior, you know. These people that are Sunday prayer warriors, you know, the people that just save it for their, you know, they don't do anything in between.

Kim McIntire:

The Sunday experience.

Daniel Moore:

Exactly.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah.

Daniel Moore:

Uh you're you're gonna find that a lot of those people they pray the same exact way all the time. They 'cause they don't know any different. You know, they've never ventured out to experience God in a true way, the way that He wants us to experience, and to understand that there's many different ways that we can pray to Him. Yeah and ask for things or worship Him and thank Him for things. There's just so much more to that, but you'll never know until you make it a practice in your life and abide.

Kim McIntire:

That's true.

Daniel Moore:

Just like these your books that you've written, you've you've got to make be intentional with that. That's true. And make sure that you abide in Him constantly.

Kim McIntire:

It changes everything.

Daniel Moore:

It changes everything. It truly does. Uh we're gonna go ahead and wrap this up here in just a in about a minute or so here, a couple minutes. Um as we go, if someone only remembered one lesson from Abide, what would you hope that that would be?

Kim McIntire:

Well, but I talked about time earlier. And in one of the lessons, I ask the students, what is your most valuable relationship? And I would just ask them to think about that person and put that person in their mind. And so once they have that person identified, I say, what makes that person the most valuable person in your life? And then they think about that. And then I ask them, okay, we're gonna go around the circle and just tell me what makes that relationship so special. And so they share, and there's a lot of different ideas, but I've taught this so many times that I narrowed it down when I wrote the book to a few. And so one is they give me time. The other one was it's valuable because the relationship isn't one-sided, it's both give and take. The other was encouragement. I feel really encouraged when I'm with them, and I think they're encouraged when they're with me. Another was accountability. They would say, This person holds me accountable, and I know it's because they love me, and I try to hold them accountable. And then this one I love this one. The other was listening. This person listens to me with intention, and I try to listen when they speak.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

So do you see this reciprocal, mutual, relational? That's really what makes human relationships so valuable. Two more. One is present. When you're together, you're in the moment and not distracted, and then trust. That's pretty obvious, right? So then I ask this question Is this the way you value your relationship with the Lord? And is this the way you function in your relationship with the Lord? And then I say, time. You know, be honest. Are you giving time to the Lord? Because He's giving time to you.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

He's available 24-7 every day of the year. Then I say, Is it mutual? Do you receive from the Lord and then pour out to someone else? Because that's the way our life in Christ should work. When he pours in, we are then pouring out into others around us.

Daniel Moore:

Right.

Kim McIntire:

The other one is encouragement. Basically, I took everything they said and I turned it back to reflect on relationship with God. Is your time with him encouraging to you? Because I guarantee it's encouraging to him.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

He wants us to bless him as well, right?

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

And then accountability. Do you allow God to hold you accountable by responding to conviction and correction?

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, that's good.

Kim McIntire:

And then I end with this listening. Do you listen to the Lord through his word and prayer? Or are you the one who's doing all the talking? Because if you treated your most valuable human relationship that way, if you treated your husband or your closest friend in a way that you do all the talking and they never have you never give them an opportunity to speak, that person would probably not be around for very long.

Daniel Moore:

Yes, probably.

Kim McIntire:

And that is the most eye-opening exercise that we do. It's from lesson, and there's a lot more to that in the book, but it's lesson six. But I think I've had so many people say that really opened my eyes to the point of I give time to my husband or my children or my best friend or my whatever golf club team.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah.

Kim McIntire:

But I'm not even thinking about treating the Lord in the same with the same regard and respect. And how much more should we be treating the Lord with that kind of love and consideration and respect? I mean, he he deserves so much more than the people in our lives deserve. And I mean we should always love and respect and treat people well. That's not what I mean. You know what I'm saying? But the first command is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love others as you love yourself. So that would be my takeaway, Daniel. If I would say there's one point that I would drive home from abide, if you live your life in that way, you will abide in Christ and He will abide in you. Oh, so good. Thank you. Oh my God. I'm so honored to be here today. Just pumped up now.

Daniel Moore:

The thing we have to remember is God is more invested in us than we are.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah, it's true.

Daniel Moore:

And we have to remember that. Yes. Amen. If He would have stopped at the cross, and all we had, you know, if we were standing there staring at the cross and that's all we had to look at. Yeah. Imagine how bleak that would be. You know, how disturbing that would be.

Kim McIntire:

Wow.

Daniel Moore:

But no, if we turn around and look the other direction, we see the resurrection. Amen. That's the light. Amen. That's the true cost of what he gave just to save our lives. Praise the Lord. And I think that everything that you just said, uh, we owe that all to him.

Kim McIntire:

All of it. And more. And more, yes. More.

Daniel Moore:

We'll never pay him back for what he's done for us. Not a million years would we ever do that.

Kim McIntire:

It's true.

Daniel Moore:

And so that's the you've gave given us a lot of good things to think about.

Kim McIntire:

Thank you so much.

Daniel Moore:

Go get this book. This book is awesome.

Kim McIntire:

I would be honored for anyone to buy that and to tell us how we can get it. It's available on Amazon. It's available on Barnes and Noble. And just be so honored for anyone to read it.

Daniel Moore:

Yep. It's gonna it'll be a blessing.

Kim McIntire:

Yeah, if you can do it alone or with a group of people, it's better in a group, it's better in community.

Daniel Moore:

Yeah, yeah, it does, it it is uh formatted to be a very good group study.

Kim McIntire:

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