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Rise Up Testimony with Pastor Grant Curtis - 28

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A simple yes can change the spiritual climate of a home and a church. That’s the current running through our conversation with Pastor Grant Curtis of Faith Assembly in Joplin, where a nearly canceled worship night became the spark that led him—and his daughters—into a room pulsing with hunger for God. We trace the chain of small obediences, from an unexpected invitation to Rise Up to the choice to bring family into a space where believers from 24 churches laid down hesitation and leaned into the presence of God together.

We talk about what renewal actually looks like in the life of a busy pastor: stepping away to receive, modeling dependence at the altar, and returning with a refreshed heart that naturally overflows into preaching, parenting, and pastoring. Grant shares how a message on spiritual hunger reset the room’s focus, why diverse expressions of worship are a gift to the next generation, and how a single person moving to the altar before any invitation captured the essence of revival—humility meeting urgency. If you’ve been pouring out for months and wondering how to keep your heart tender, this story will meet you where you are.

We also highlight practical paths for discipleship and renewal—carrying fire home, honoring the Spirit’s timing, and creating space for leaders to be ministered to. If you long to see a fresh move of God in your city and your family, this conversation offers courage, clarity, and a gentle nudge to say yes to the next obedient step. Subscribe, share this with a leader who needs encouragement, and leave a review to help more hungry hearts find these stories.

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KimMcIntire:

Hey everyone, welcome to the It's Time to Rise Up Podcast. I'm your host, Kim McIntire. We know there are so many things you can do with your time, so thank you for choosing to spend your time listening today. We pray you are encouraged and blessed by what is shared. If you're not familiar with our show, please check out our website at itstimetoriseup.org. There you will find our social media links. And for our podcast platforms, you can find us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and everywhere else you find your podcast. I'm excited to announce that the Abide Study is now available on Amazon and Barnes Noble. The link to order is found in our show notes. The Abide Study is currently the discipleship piece for the Rise Up movement. There's more information about that on our website. Now let's get to today's episode. I want to welcome Pastor Grant Curtis of Faith Assembly Church in Joplin, Missouri, to our studio. We are so glad to have you here.

GrantCurtis:

Kim, thank you for that. Appreciate it.

KimMcIntire:

You're so welcome. And let's just start with you sharing a little bit about maybe your family and where you're ministering in your life. What does it look like today?

GrantCurtis:

Yeah, uh I will say life is running on all cylinders. Things are moving really fast, but in a wonderful way. I've um been at Faith Assembly, my wife and I, for nine years now in August. So uh Stephanie is just a wonderful, wonderful spouse, wonderful wife. She actually works with me at the church. She's our outreach pastor.

KimMcIntire:

Oh, that's awesome.

GrantCurtis:

Just because of all the activity that we've had at the church and trying to move beyond the four walls and reach out to people and and really as a church look to uh just bless those um out in our community and do what we can to be the light to them. And so she's joined us here for almost a year now at the church, and um we've we've just got so many things going on. But not only that, she's a wonderful mother. I've got three girls. My oldest is a junior, she's 16, my middle one's 13, 8th grade, and my youngest is now in fourth grade, nine years old, almost 10, coming in October.

KimMcIntire:

Incredible. So you're a little bit outnumbered then.

GrantCurtis:

Yes, ma'am. I try to tell people I'm gonna be really well taken care of in my old age. That's right. All these caregivers.

KimMcIntire:

Hey, that is one benefit to having many girls in the family. I will say that's for sure. Well, I mean and my husband met you at the Rise Up conference in August, and we're so glad that you attended. It's just an honor for our ministry team to be able to pour into pastors who continually pour into everyone else. Um, and so I want to thank you for attending. How did you hear about Rise Up and how did you end up at the conference?

GrantCurtis:

Well, it came just through a connection uh of a couple who started coming to the church and um had an opportunity to sit down trying to get to know them better. And they just brought it up and asked if, you know, hey, give me an invitation and if I'd have an interest in it. And of course I was I was interested, and uh and that was the Hills, uh, you know, Troy and Susan. And then I went to lunch with Marcus and Kelly Keener, and he was just sharing his testimony and talking about the things the Lord has done and all just wonderful things. And then uh Kelly asked me, she's like, Are you going to rise up? And I said, Yeah, I I do plan to go. And she's like, Well, I got a ticket for you. And I didn't even know that, you know, there was a ticket to reserve or anything like that. And she's like, I got it, I got it covered for you. And I said, That's wonderful. But then I went home, and as I started to figure out a little bit more what it was about, I um I was like, Well, I want to see if my my two older daughters would want to go as well, because I wanted them to be able to step into that setting of what I started to sense of what the service, you know, was going to be like. Right. And uh and I wanted them to have the opportunity for that experience. Well, I reached out to the hills and they were like, hey, we've got their tickets covered, you just bring them. Just bring whoever you want, come on in. And uh, we didn't get to go both days. We went on Friday, so we cruised down there, kind of a little day trip with dad, and uh, we were really blessed by it. Really blessed.

KimMcIntire:

I'm so glad that you guys said yes. Yes, ma'am. You made the time because I know that's not easy to do. Are you often able to get away for things like conferences and retreats for pastors?

GrantCurtis:

I will say I try to get uh I try to go to a conference about once a year for a pastor.

KimMcIntire:

Okay.

GrantCurtis:

Um, just to get an opportunity to sit back and reflect on the where the Lord's leading us, uh leading faith assembly, and also just to kind of slow down and and have a moment with him and set my heart on him. But but too, just to think about, you know, you you go to those conferences, you're you're trying to learn uh maybe about different approaches and doing ministry and stuff like that, and hearing what other churches do, and and those are all those are all great. But um, but really uh I think what also helped sort of open the door for all of this was uh back in um in April, I believe, my wife and I went up to Kansas City to go to a Charity Gale concert. And I'll be honest with you, I love worship music, but I really don't go to Christian concerts, to be honest with you. I got this as a Christmas gift for her uh near her birthday, and she loves Charity Gale.

KimMcIntire:

Yeah.

GrantCurtis:

Well, crazy enough, uh we were just so busy with a lot of wonderful things. Let me say this wonderful things at the church, and uh, and just with kids' activities and all that stuff, sure, that my wife and I were considering canceling going to that because we were just thinking, let's just have a night at home to try to slow things down. But then we got so busy that we missed the deadline to cancel to try to make things less busy for us. You see what I'm saying? Sure, sure. And so we miss that deadline, we realize, well, we've paid for it, we need to go. And we just kind of go up there on a fly, and uh the the amazing thing of it was we sit by two people who were from Joplin. I did not expect that at all. And um, they kind of knew who I was, and I think I had crossed paths with them before. But in that, um, man, I just felt like at that concert there, which I would I would like to say it differently, not a concert, but just a just a worship service. Like my wife, I she loves Charity Gale. I I I really appreciate her ministry and stuff as well. But uh just going up there and how the Lord I felt like touched my heart in that. And the sense I walked away from it. I I've even shared this with people, I walked away from that with just this sense of encouragement, like, man, how wonderful is God that I've had this moment with him, but I know he's so good and faithful, I'm gonna have more of those moments. That's so good. And and so that was a little bit of when I got asked to rise up, well, I was like, man, I want to go and I want to bring my kids because I want to bring them into a room because I started to have the understanding that, hey, this is folks coming together. And I I this is what I figured, and I was right on with it, that man, when you came in the room, the people who were there, they were there because they were just wanting more of the move of God in their life. That's right. And they were wanting to come and just pour their heart out before him because they know how good and faithful and loving he is, and that he has more for them.

KimMcIntire:

Yeah.

GrantCurtis:

And and so that's why I was sitting there saying, Man, I want to bring my daughters, I want them to have this experience as well.

KimMcIntire:

Yes.

GrantCurtis:

And uh and yeah, and so just coming in and into the service like that, it was powerful. And I know we'll talk more about the service and and how that ministered me.

KimMcIntire:

So well, I just I love that God prepared you at Charity Gale's concert or worship event for what he was gonna do at Rise Up. Very much. You feel like the Lord does things in layers, don't you?

GrantCurtis:

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

KimMcIntire:

So I would just really love for you just to share your testimony from being there. You know, what what was going on in your heart and in your mind while you're there? Yeah. And and even maybe share a little bit about your daughters and their perspective. But I know you knew you were expecting something. Yes. So how did that play out?

GrantCurtis:

Well, I I I would just say, you know, coming into that service, like I said, what I've really appreciated was um it's a collective, clearly a collective of believers is people some few I knew, many I did not.

KimMcIntire:

Right.

GrantCurtis:

Right. But there was a commonality of of the heart and the hunger in the room of wanting to see just the Spirit of the Lord just do a deeper work and really move among us. And and so for me, um just stepping into that, because you know in ministry you pour out and you pour out and you pour out. And I and I love that. I really do. Uh the Lord has really changed my heart as as I've gone longer into ministry of just wanting to add value to people and pour into their lives and help them go deeper with the Lord. We say it all the time there at Faith Assembly, it doesn't matter where you come from, what your background is, when you come through the doors, we just want to see God bless you and do a deeper work in your life.

KimMcIntire:

That's right. That's right.

GrantCurtis:

And and and for me, I just uh coming into that, coming into the room there, uh, there there was just a sense of, hey, I want to just set my heart before the Lord, right? I want to have a moment to be refreshed and just where God, whatever you want to do in this moment, whatever you have for me, right? I'm here for you. And that's the approach that I had coming into it. And I wanted my daughters to just be able to come and experience this too, because you know, you get used to worshiping in the setting that you often worship, sure. And you get used to the style of service and such things, and sort of the pattern of all of that. And I wanted them to have the opportunity to just come around people that they don't even know that and and just see these, see the folks who've gathered that day, who the Lord's brought into that house, and their expression of worship and their heart for him, and just hopefully for them to just feel his presence and you know worship and respond as well.

KimMcIntire:

Yes, I I have a memory from the conference Friday night, you and your daughters were had responded to the altar call. Yes, ma'am. And which was such a joy to our heart because my husband and I got to pray over your daughter, and just seeing young people, it wasn't just the older people responding to the call to be desperate for God, to be hungry for God. Yes, but it was younger, the younger generation as well. And so what do you think their takeaway was from conference? Did you guys talk about it? Like, was there anything specific that stood out to you regarding their perspective?

GrantCurtis:

I that you know, as we rode home, they really enjoyed it and it did minister to them. And I I will say myself to you, I'm very grateful for your just willingness to come over and pray over them and pray with them. Uh as a dad, one of the one of the things that's on the tops of my list is just for my children to really deeply and genuinely love the Lord.

KimMcIntire:

Yes.

GrantCurtis:

Like really love him.

KimMcIntire:

Amen.

GrantCurtis:

You know, I pray over that, I pray over them, I pray for that so often. Uh, and that's something that really, really stirs my heart. And uh so they they came away from that and talked about how the passion of the people, the energy in the room, the just even the gratitude and the heart and the expression of just the love of the people towards the Lord. Uh, where it was probably compared to church uh there at Faith Assembly, you know, it was probably a little more expressive for them.

KimMcIntire:

Yeah.

GrantCurtis:

But I'm like, hey, that's great for them to see.

KimMcIntire:

Yes.

GrantCurtis:

Because I try to tell them when you see people responding that way, it's a testimony really to the work God has done in their life. They respond with that heart and that passion, that praise and that gratitude and and all of that because God has walked faithfully with them. He has changed their lives. And so I try to bring that back in front of my daughters when we talk about like what went on there that that night.

KimMcIntire:

Yeah. Well, there are so many, there were, I think, 24 churches represented at conference and different backgrounds, different denominations. One thing I love about being in a group, like you said, it's not necessarily a church setting, but it's a gathering of believers. But there are so many different expressions of worship. Yes, ma'am. And we welcome them all. So the holy hush, the the bow, you know, the bowing on your knees, the standing, the shouting, the jumping, the dancing before the Lord. And that's one thing I so much appreciate about Rise Up. Coming from more of a conservative background, as far as, you know, clapping, shouting, jumping would not be quite the norm, you know. But I have such an appreciation for it. I'm more the shouter jumper. My husband is more a silent inward worshiper, but just not as expressive, but it's but he worships just as genuinely, you know. So I think for young people to see this diversity of worship is very beneficial for them, you know. So that's encouraging. Um, if there was a takeaway for for you from conference, what would that takeaway be? Is there anything specific that stands out?

GrantCurtis:

You know, I I would like to say that for me, it was really encouraging because like you said, you had I didn't know you had that quite of a collective of representation of different churches there. For me, it always encourages me that man, there are people out there, right? And that's often how the Lord works. You know, you you you kind of know the people in in your area or within your, in a way, a bubble or reach, but boy, the Lord is still working amongst so many people. And just to see that passion in their heart and that desire to see God do something deeper, because rise up is around this idea of revival and renewal and the Lord just pouring out. And when folks come together with that kind of heart, it's because they know and they fully believe what he can do and the great things he can do in your community and in the lives of the people among you, and reaching the lost and seeing their lives change, their families change, their hearts change. And so it's uh because it is, it's that hey, when you encounter God in the presence of God and the spirit of God, you come away different. You really do. And that's the part of it that that really touched my heart. Uh that's that's part of why I, you know, I wanted to be there and and see what it was all about. Because I'll be real honest with you. I I I originally thought it was gonna be at OCC. I didn't know it was down in Branson. I don't know how I mixed that up. That's awesome. And then I get word that they're like, well, it's down in Branson. I'm like, that doesn't bother me any. I'm I'm still going. Yeah. Because I I had a sense of, hey, this God's gonna do something. There's big things in this.

KimMcIntire:

Well, you mentioned revival, and that was the that was our, you know, really the driving force was we are crying out for revival. We are praying for revival, we're believing for revival. And we believe it's begun. Yes, we believe. We believe we we're seeing the beginning of revival and a great awakening, a third great awakening in our nation. What I love is I believe what the Lord did in you, He did in others, and they carry that back to where they lead or they just the place where they worship. Um, and it's contagious, it's catching. When you have the fire of God in you, you cannot, it cannot be contained. You know, it it has to be flowing out of you like a wildfire effect, is what I think. It just spreads like wildfire. And so what I'm encouraged by is you and other leaders. There were other pastors there, there were other community leaders there that I know encountered the Lord in a very specific and special way. And then they take that back to where they're ministering, and I believe you're a representation of that. And so I'm so grateful that you said yes to that invitation.

GrantCurtis:

I appreciate that. And and I would kind of kind of fall in in line with that. You know, part of, like I mentioned earlier, part of pastoring is just you you pour out, you pour out, but to walk into a service and just say, Lord, I'm just here to really receive.

KimMcIntire:

Yeah.

GrantCurtis:

I'm not I'm not focused in on really anything else other than what does your Holy Spirit want to do tonight in my heart in my life. Right. And I even came back and kind of shared that with the church of how much I hope they realize I need those moments in my life, like for me to be refreshed and for God to really keep working on my heart. Because as I get poured into, like you're saying, I think it's something that it's just there's an overflow of it, right? Yeah. And as he's working in your heart, it impacts how you go and interact with others, minister, others, love, serve, and so forth. And so I told him that like it helps me to be a better father, a better husband, a better pastor. Amen. In all those ways when I can really come and humbly just put my heart really before the Lord. Yes. If if I would share with you like the different points of it that really stood out to me, I would even start with this. You know, the folks who invited me, uh I could pick up on this is an expression of really kindness. And it's and it and it's an expression of their heart for me from the fact that they knew what they had been involved in it in the past and they knew what the setting and what the service was going to be like. And so just even the invitation to be like, boy, we want to see this, bless your life, right? That right there automatically really means a lot to me.

KimMcIntire:

Right. Yes.

GrantCurtis:

Uh, just the invitation to come and experience, you know, what the Lord will be doing on that special night. But then the next part of it too, uh, and I I don't mind referencing this, uh, the message, uh, just the way it was delivered and shared really meant a lot to me. There was even a point I leaned over to my daughters and I said to them, I said, hey, really try to pay attention and listen close to what he's saying. Yeah. Because it was Chris Sharon and because I've been there, I told him, I've been there as a pastor where you feel like and or you know the Holy Spirit has so impressed something upon your heart and given you a word that, man, you want to do all you can to convey it with such clarity and such heart that the people who the Lord has gathered in that room, right, that they hear it and the Spirit just takes that and does something so much deeper in their life. Yes. And you could, I could just feel it from him, just the way the heart of what he was wanting to share. I mean, he opens up, I I don't know if I can quite reference the verses right, but I know in the Psalms where it says, The Lord satisfies the thirsty and he gives good things to the hungry, right? And he opened up with some verses like that about having a real thirst and a real hunger for more of God. And just right there out of the gate, it sort of set the focus and the tone of, oh man, we're going in deep after God tonight. That's right. Right? We're we're gonna put all the hesitations, all the barriers down, all that. And so I was really trying to get my daughters to just, you know, you know, the younger generation, their attention span, I'm like, just really lean in and follow what he's saying here. Uh another part of it that that meant a lot to me, if I backed it up barely, was like you said, just whenever I'm with my family and they're worshiping the Lord, there's always a moment of real stirring my heart in gratitude. Like I I typically when I worship, man, I'm not worried about what people think. I'm not worried about the people, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just trying to put my heart on the Lord, but I do when I know they're there, I pause just to look over. And when they're got their hands lifted and they're having these moments with God, I'm always like, Lord, just thank you for this moment and this experience. Just even you guys providing like uh, you know, that invitation us to come. Yeah, I'm very grateful for um and then obviously the last part of it when you came and prayed over them, that meant so much. And and even even the altar call. One thing that stood out to me before the altar call was like kind of fully given, there was a guy who walked up and he was already there. Yeah, and I was I was I love that.

KimMcIntire:

I loved it.

GrantCurtis:

I really love that. And and so so for me, uh just being able to come because I want to respond. Yeah, like I want to sit there as a pastor and just be able to say, Lord, in this message, in this word you've given this man, what what are you wanting to speak more deeply to me? Um and and then respond to that.

KimMcIntire:

Right.

GrantCurtis:

Right. And so the altar time was really incredible for me. Uh I I would say it to this way, there's there's a verse that always stands out to me, right, in the Psalms that says, the Lord draws near the humble, but the proud he sees from afar. And I realize as a pastor, there's a sense of influence that you carry, I guess, uh and how you carry yourself. And and I feel like on some level that can be detrimental because people elevate pastors in a certain way and put them on a stool and put a pressure on on their life and so forth.

KimMcIntire:

Right.

GrantCurtis:

Uh but for me, I always want to have a heart to say, God, if your spirit is wanting to search deeper and do something deeper, yeah, then Lord, may I be all in for it.

KimMcIntire:

Absolutely.

GrantCurtis:

And so even even in my own, even even at my even at the church there at faith, like I want to be a pastor who goes to the altar.

KimMcIntire:

Yes.

GrantCurtis:

I want to be a pastor who will go to the prayer team and ask people to pray for me.

KimMcIntire:

Let it be.

GrantCurtis:

Because I I don't want to sit there and say, well, are people gonna wonder, like, oh, why is he going for it for prayer? What's going on in his life, whatever else? No, no, no. Uh greater than that, I want to just come and say, Lord, you are the one I depend on. God, I need you to continue to do this faithful and loving work you're doing in my heart. And so the altar time was something that I really, really appreciated. And just even, like I said, even the I love because it was right there on my heart. I was sitting there thinking, man, I'm I'm ready to go. And yet, guy near me gets up and he just goes, and I'm like, that's what I that right there just even spoke to my heart. I'm like, It did mine as well.

KimMcIntire:

And I, you don't know this because we just recorded it, but we were doing a revival recap.

GrantCurtis:

Yes.

KimMcIntire:

And we were each of us on lead team, or some of us on lead team were talking about stand apart moments. Uh-huh. And that's the moment I shared. I said, before the altar call was given, before the message was even correct really closed, the man is at the altar. And I don't know if you heard this, but the lady behind me said, What is that man doing? And I was just like, he's humbling himself before the Lord. He doesn't want to wait. He's desperate and he's hungry. Yes. And how often do we hear that call or that charge? Are you desperate? Yes. Are you hungry?

GrantCurtis:

Yeah.

KimMcIntire:

You know, it's it's a question worth asking, isn't it?

GrantCurtis:

Absolutely, absolutely. And it was that was just a powerful moment. It really was.

KimMcIntire:

It really was. It was a word from the Lord, an anointed word from the Lord. And and one of the things that we're really passionate about, I referenced this in the last episode, is we're passionate about pastors and pastors' wives and church leaders being in places where they are poured into, encouraged, strengthened, ministered to. And we're so grateful that we had the opportunity to be a blessing to you and your daughters.

GrantCurtis:

Well, thank you.

KimMcIntire:

So I can't express enough gratitude on behalf of our team for just your yes and your willingness to come and talk about it on the podcast because I'm hoping pastors and leaders hear this and they are inspired. Yes. And we don't know what's next. We're praying and we're waiting on God. He said to wait, so we're waiting. And so as soon as we know, we'll be announcing a date for a worship night or something that God wants us to do and the location. But we are very much praying, God, stir up the hearts of our pastors, stir up the hearts of their wives and their leaders. And we just know that that's God's heart.

GrantCurtis:

Yes, ma'am.

KimMcIntire:

That's God's heart. That's his desire.

GrantCurtis:

And I would hope I could I guess also reflect that appreciation. I want to say thank you to you guys as well, the ladies sitting here in this room. So welcome. Uh obviously, for one, for being faithful to the the calling and the vision that the Lord has put on your heart. Uh, and as well just this this heart to be able to pour into those to to ministers and wanting them to come and really see God just refresh them and lift them up and build them up. Uh, it did that for me for sure. I mean, it it really did. And, you know, whatever event you have next, I plan to be there, and I'd like to be up near the front, ready to go.

KimMcIntire:

So we well, we will be very happy for you to join us, and you will definitely know about it. And just thank you so much for your time. It's been an encouragement. I know it's gonna bless those who are listening. And so we're just gonna close in prayer and bless the pastors and leaders and listeners tonight or today, whenever you're listening. So um, any closing thoughts though that you want to add? I don't want to skip any opportunities for you to add something in if you have something else to say.

GrantCurtis:

Man, if I would add anything in, just keep being faithful to where the spirit's leading you because you know you the all the the planning, the effort, the prayer, all those things, man, the Lord is working through that. He really is.

KimMcIntire:

Yes.

GrantCurtis:

And just uh just keep going with that open heart of following where he leads. And uh I know I know the impact of it, the influence. I'm grateful for it. I felt it, and I know there will be many more, be blessed by it. And uh, and as the Lord works through that, because you know, you know what I know it. Our land, more than anything, the people of this land, there needs to be a fresh move of the Spirit, amen. And God to God to just really raise up people like with rise up people who are hungry and not distracted and not discouraged and full of faith, knowing that God is going to do more among us. Right, he really is.

KimMcIntire:

Amen. Thank you so much. No problem. All right, well, we're gonna close in prayer. You're welcome to pray as well if you would like to.

GrantCurtis:

Yes, ma'am.

KimMcIntire:

I'll leave that up to you. For sure. I'll pray. All right, go ahead, Pastor.

GrantCurtis:

Father, we just thank you for this time, Lord. I just thank you, Lord, for just your work and your faithfulness. God, your goodness on our lives, Lord. Father, I just pray that you'll bless this work that you're doing and continue to bless the people that you've raised up to help lead and encourage and be a voice to call others to just be desperate and hungry for more of you.

KimMcIntire:

Yes, Lord.

GrantCurtis:

Lord, for those who have organized and planned and sacrificed and given to put together, God, just this service and this time, this retreat for all your followers to come and just be refreshed and renewed. Yes. And Lord, for you to just do a new work in their heart. Lord, I pray that you'll really bless. God, rise up. Lord, I pray that you will bless just the people involved in it. But Lord, for those services, those moments to come, God, that it will only grow, that the impact of it will only go further. God, that it will be a clear call to the people in this area and in the churches, Lord, that they need to come with a renewed, humble heart before you. Lord, trusting in your spirit, God, desiring you to do more, Lord. God, we just pray, continue to work in our lives for your glory and your honor in your name. In Jesus' name we pray.

KimMcIntire:

In Jesus' name. Thank you, Father. Father, I just pray a blessing over every pastor who may be listening, every leader, God, every um listener who is just desperate and hungry for more of you. I pray a fresh wind and a fresh fire would just fall on our listening audience now. And God, I just pray you would stir up hearts for revival. Lord, we are hungry and we are desperate for more of you. And I thank you, God, that that's the desire of our hearts. And I just trust, God, you are bringing revival to our nation. We believe for it, God. And Pastor Grant and I come in agreement now that you are doing a mighty, mighty work among us and within us. We love you, Lord, and we give you praise in Jesus' holy name. Amen. Amen. Thank you again, Pastor Grant. Thank you. Thank you for taking your time to listen to our podcast. We'd love to hear your feedback. Please rate us or leave a review on Apple Podcasts. May God's grace and peace be with you all in Jesus' name.